Dublin Keatings: 1847 Dublin Almanac and General Register of Ireland

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1. Hello, I am interested in Charles Keatinge (silversmith) and Edward Keatinge (engraver) both of whom are listed on this 1847 Dublin Almanac and General Register of Ireland. I believe that both soon relocated to the USA, as they are in the 1850 census from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Does anyone have additional information on them?

2. Charles — I don’t know of Charles and Edward, beyond the transcription, but I often find my research leads into Pennsylvania (Pittsburgh area) for my own Keatings. I’ll keep an eye out for them. Do you know if they’re related?

3. I believe they are related. They were working close to each other in Dublin in the 1840s, and in 1850 Philadelphia, they were living in the same house, both working in metal – with Charles then being 52 years old and Edward 24 years old. .

4. Edward Charles Keatinge is who I am most interested in. From Philadelphia in 1850, he made his way to New York where he became an engraver for the American Bank Note Company. Then, in 1862, he was recruited by the Confederate Treasury to become one of the principal engraver/printers of Confederate currency. In fact, Edward soon became the Confederacy’s lead engraver/printer. I have some data that says he was the brother of The Right Hon. Judge Richard Keatinge in Dublin (whose father was also famous – Maurice Keatinge), but the genealogy doesn’t support Maurice having a son named Edward. There were some famous Dubliner Keantinges including some that were engravers, but I haven’t been able to get all the data to follow these individuals (I use Ancestry.com without the international component).

5. Wow, I’ve actually seen the “Keating” bills on e-bay in the past and thought about picking one up just because it was engraved by a Keating. Are you related to these Keatinges, or interested in them for the historical aspects?

6. I am a neuroscientist-marine biologist by profession. My hobby in numismatics led me to be interested in research in 19th century US history. I publish this work in a magazine/journal named Paper Money, among others.
   I’m wondering if Charles is an uncle or some relative of Edward. If they were father and son, I would have thought that Edward would have also been a silversmith like Charles. I will keep at it… I find it difficult to let these things go when I’m this close. If you have any ideas or contacts who might help, please let me know.
   If you decide to buy a Keatinge & Ball note (I am similarity tracking down the line of Thomas Alexander Ball), ebay has many and if there are some that catch your eye, I could advise you on price

7. Charles,

   I love it when hobbies collide! I’ll let you know if/when I do purchase a Keatinge & Ball note. Knowing this bit of the potential family history of the engraver definitely makes it that much more interesting.

   I thought I had a bit more on Maurice’s family somewhere. This older post, entitled “Captain ‘John Keating’ of King James’s Irish Army (1689)“, tells of previous generations in the Narraghmore Keating family, but only reaches backward, not forward. The family naming conventions definitely include Charles and Edward/Edmund (a common variation) — a clue that you’re on the right track.

   Edmund / Edward Keating
   + ?
   |- John Keating (Lord Chief Justice of Ireland)
   |- Maurice Keating (d. 1683)
      + Judith Cocks
      | Maurice Keating
      | Edmund Keating
      | John Keating
      | Charles Keating
      | Eleanor Keating
        + Edward Bolton of Brazeel
      | Catherine Keating

   I’ve also got a bit more on John (Lord Chief Justice) and his parentage (and burial), but haven’t yet formatted it for uploading. If interested, I can move that up the queue.

8. If you go to this page:
   https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=270348.0
   you will see a reference to Judge Richard Keatinge (son of Maurice), and it says our Edward (even mentions his role in the Confederacy) as brother to Richard. But my reading of the genealogy is that Maurice did not have such a son and Richard did not have such a brother.

9. Hi Charles, I realise it it five years since your last post above and that you may since have found out more about Charles and Edward Keatinge, but I can share the following with you from own research. Charles and Edward were both present in Philadelphia (Dock Quarter) in 1850 according to the census records for Phildephia at that time. From the difference in their stated ages it would be fair to assume that they were father and son, Charles being 45 and Edward 24. I found their dates of emigration and also their baptism records at the Pro Cathedral in Dublin confirming that they were in fact brothers. Their parents were Edward and Penelope Keatinge. Charles was in fact born in 1802 and Edward in 1819. Both were in the business of engraving and silversmithing. They were descended from a family of Gold and Silver smiths dating back six generations to William Keating, d.1680, a Freeman of the Gold Smith Company in Dublin. Their grandfather was the famous (or perhaps infamous) silversmith Michael Keating who worked between 1762 and 1802 at his workshop in Cole Alley next to the west wall of Dublin Castle. Cole Alley was demolished shortly thereafter and is now known as the Castle Steps or colloquially as the 40 Steps. Their uncle James was also a well known silversmith and their cousin, also Michael Keating, was a registered silversmith in the 1850-60s. The two brothers seem to have gone their separate ways in America and being a numismatist you doubtless know about Edward Keatinges enterprise in Richmond and Columbia in during the civil war. I have more information I can share with you if you are interested and would be keen to compare notes with you. My interest is primarily genealogical combined with history, both family and Irish, going back to the arrival of the Keatings in Ireland in the 12th century, as well as their origins before that. An ongoing work in progress.

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